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Old 04-29-2024, 09:58 AM
 
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It is not a double standard. Your subjectivity is untethered to anything tangible or verifiable. It is not scrutinized or based on any verifiable or validated facts because it dismisses them all as illusory. My decades of effort sought to anchor my subjective experience in whatever Reality we have validated. You seem unconcerned about that and let your untethered subjective experiences and imagination rule supreme.
nothing in your subjective experience or your subsequent subjective interpretation is verifiable by others. It contains nothing that is tangible which can be verified or validated by anyone else. Regarding the section above highlighted in bold, if you are going to label and dismiss religious beliefs and religious experiences which you disagree with as "untethered" "subjective" "imagination" then it is rational and logical that those connotations apply to your own religious beliefs and religious experiences as well.

Your religious beliefs and religious experiences make sense to you.
The religious beliefs and religious experiences of others make sense to them.
And just as you state you scrutinize your religious beliefs and seek to anchor them in daily life, so too do others scrutinize their religious beliefs and seek to anchor them in daily life.


that's what makes it subjective: "Something that is subjective is based on personal opinions and feelings rather than on facts."

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Old 04-29-2024, 10:13 AM
 
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nothing in your subjective experience or your subsequent subjective interpretation is tangible or verifiable by others. It contains nothing that can be verified or validated by anyone else. if you are going to label religious beliefs which you disagree with as "untethered" "subjective" "imagination" then it is rational and logical that those connotations apply to your own religious beliefs as well.
Your dismissal of science "facts" as illusory (Maya) is false! They are verified and validated. My extrapolations from them are not, but they form an explanation "based on them" unlike your beliefs which have no such foundation in verified facts.
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Old 04-29-2024, 10:30 AM
 
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Your dismissal of science "facts" as illusory (Maya) is false! They are verified and validated. My extrapolations from them are not, but they form an explanation "based on them" unlike your beliefs which have no such foundation in verified facts.
that is correct, bold above, your subjective extrapolations are not verified and not validated.

you have formed an "explanation" for your religious beliefs which makes sense to you.
just as others have an explanation for their religious beliefs which makes sense to them.

And that explanation is also subjective.
why you hold the beliefs you hold (the reasons given, the "explanation") is subjective. it too is a matter of opinion and personal preference.

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Old 04-29-2024, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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you scorn and disparage the subjective
while actively engaging in and employing it.

that is the double standard I am pointing out.
And what we are pointing out to you is that the woo you constantly spew is believed by some and not believed by others, or believed to different extents by different people. Therefore that is exactly what "subjective" means.
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Old 04-29-2024, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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How do you know this?
How do you know the opposite?
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Old 04-29-2024, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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that is correct, bold above, your subjective extrapolations are not verified and not validated.

you have formed an "explanation" for your religious beliefs which makes sense to you.
just as others have an explanation for their religious beliefs which makes sense to them.

And that explanation is also subjective.
why you hold the beliefs you hold (the reasons given, the "explanation") is subjective. it too is a matter of opinion and personal preference.
How can you fail to understand that the same things apply to your posts?
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Old 04-29-2024, 09:15 PM
 
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that is correct, bold above, your subjective extrapolations are not verified and not validated.
you have formed an "explanation" for your religious beliefs which makes sense to you.
just as others have an explanation for their religious beliefs which makes sense to them.
And that explanation is also subjective.
why you hold the beliefs you hold (the reasons given, the "explanation") is subjective. it too is a matter of opinion and personal preference.
Thank you for responding to my posts, Tzaph. We agree about more than we disagree.
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