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No need to apologize. The attacks are from people who do not know you. Your pacifism is deeply held and sincere. You do not "stink." No one should think you are slanting anything or have ulterior motives. Listen to Harry Diogenes. This is a good thread and the topic deserves better than the attacks it has received.
and when someone is deeply and sincerely committed to respect and regard for others, then they welcome the opportunity to not mis-represent other paths, and to not disparage and denigrate other paths. All the more so when it is "not intentional" because it shows how oblivious a person can be to what their own beliefs are founded upon.
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 04-25-2024 at 01:29 PM..
No, it's a very good thread and gets down to a very important conflict between the old and new testaments.
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Originally Posted by Thoreau424
Worth repeating.
Yes. and since that is a Christian-centric conflict, then it is not applicable to other paths. Since those two books named (the OT and the NT) are specific to Christianity only.
Yes. and since that is a Christian-centric conflict, then it is not applicable to other paths. Since those two books named (the OT and the NT) are specific to Christianity only.
Absolutely. Jews, for example, cannot be blamed for putting what are essentially Jewish writings and Christian writings together in the same "book", and not blinking or batting an eye. But people in the Christian church oddly did.
Absolutely. Jews, for example, cannot be blamed for putting what are essentially Jewish writings and Christian writings together in the same "book", and not blinking or batting an eye. But people in the Christian church oddly did.
and that is why it is important to point out, for the purpose of remedying the ignorance (lack of knowledge, lack of information, lack of understanding) that the Old Testament is NOT the Torah. The Old Testament is a Christian book.
Christianity is NOT an accurate source for what Judaism teaches. The opening post demonstrates this.
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Originally Posted by QuakerBaker
There are many different mindsets, two of the most famous are "turn the other cheek" we could call this New Testament or Jesus and "Eye for an eye" or Torah or Old Testament...
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Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 04-25-2024 at 02:41 PM..
^ Agreed. The Torah and OT are completely different, and in no way should one be used for the other. And then there's the lack of Jewish understanding in the Christian church, further clouding and confusing matters. I'm not a Jew, but that bothers me immensely.
The seriousness of these matters and topics is partly why I don't start threads. A person really needs to be paying attention to set up a topic sensibly and without being flawed with unchecked biases from the very start.
Last edited by Thoreau424; 04-25-2024 at 02:22 PM..
Yes. and since that is a Christian-centric conflict, then it is not applicable to other paths. Since those two books named (the OT and the NT) are specific to Christianity only.
What has that got to do with anything?
And why now are you trying to be "christian-centric" when usually you are preaching your 'all religions are just different paths to the same outcome' woo?
What has that got to do with anything? And why now are you trying to be "christian-centric" when usually you are preaching your 'all religions are just different paths to the same outcome' woo?
off topic. if you want to discuss 'all religions are just different paths to the same outcome' then start a thread on that topic.
off topic. if you want to discuss 'all religions are just different paths to the same outcome' then start a thread on that topic.
I'm asking a specific question about what you posted: "that is a Christian-centric conflict, then it is not applicable to other paths". That seems to be in conflict with your general posting topics.
There are many different mindsets, two of the most famous are "turn the other cheek" we could call this New Testament or Jesus and "Eye for an eye" or Torah or Old Testament....
Which philosophy of those specific two are better?
What philosophy is best? Is it based on situations?
Our inner self by nature is at peace and in joy. Violence is inherently abhorrent to us - to witness, endure, or to inflict because it leaves a deep impact of fear, guilt, and remorse on the inner self. Jesus's "turn the other cheek" was to turn us away from causing violence and thereby causing violence to our own inner self. It was not mere platitude.
It is an act of courage and strength to resist violence with non-violence. That this philosophical truth has worked is evidenced by Gandhi's Satyagraha to end the British Colonisation, Mandela in ending the apartheid in South Africa, and MLK in gaining civil rights for Black People.
Returning violence for violence is easy, but it leads only to destruction, not peace and prosperity. US actions of violence in dropping the nuclear bomb on civilians, napalm on the vietnamese, and the violation of Iraq with lies has returned in force of violence over our own borders. With all this how can eye for an eye ever be the better? It is not, it is madness.
Non-violence is the best in all situations. But as the world has not evolved to Jesus state, nor Buddha state, we will continue to inflict and endure violence until we learn better. I believe the world, the new generation, will evolve to resist violence to gain peace.
This is not about the Bible or Torah. All religions when examined carefully and spiritually advocate non-violence, peace and love and mercy.
Nice post QB. Thank you. A very relevant topic for a forum on Religion and Spirituality.
and that is why it is important to point out, for the purpose of remedying the ignorance (lack of knowledge, lack of information, lack of understanding) that the Old Testament is NOT the Torah. The Old Testament is a Christian book.
Christianity is NOT an accurate source for what Judaism teaches. The opening post demonstrates this.
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ALL religions are the "precepts and doctrines of men" pretending to peek behind the veil of absolute ignorance that surrounds our existence. The Torah and the OT are versions of the same documents interpreted and translated (reinterpreted and retranslated) into "precepts and doctrines of men." Of course, the Christian interpretations cannot be used to explain the doctrines of Judaism. Aggressively defending the commonly misunderstood doctrines of Judaism from a very young woman with no nefarious agenda is beyond the pale. Innocence is its own defense.
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